Wideband DDC/channelizer breaks across all taps when sample_rate raised above 2.5 MS/s (narrow-passband tradeoff at 2.5 MS/s otherwise starves off-center taps)

[er-imagery]

Summary

Following up on the multi-site wideband overload work in #749/#760 — confirmed our remaining "weak site" symptom is not RF, antenna, gain, or USB, and is not fixed by raising sdr.sample_rate. It looks like a sample-rate-dependent bug in the wideband DDC/channelizer path.

Setup

Airspy R2, role: wideband, center_freq_hz: 420900000, 4 MMR control-channel taps:

Site	Freq	Offset from center
Melbourne / CBD	420.01250 MHz	-887.5 kHz
120 Collins St	420.03750 MHz	-862.5 kHz
Mt Anakie	420.08750 MHz	-812.5 kHz
Mt Blackwood	421.83750 MHz	+937.5 kHz

gain: 600 (60 dB), sample_rate: 2500000 (the config file's own comment claims "GLOBAL 10 MS/s" but the value is 2.5 MS/s — possibly a stale comment from before a default changed).

Symptom at sample_rate: 2500000 (current default)

Only Mt Anakie (closest to center, -812.5 kHz) decodes. The other three sit at -82 to -86 dBFS on gophertrunk_sdr_iq_power_dbfs, with the "channel iq power very low" WARN, and never get an FSW hit.

Ruled out RF/hardware first:

• airspy_rx tuned directly at 420.0125 MHz (Melbourne) shows a strong, unambiguous signal: -5.3 dBFS RMS. So the RF is there.
• gophertrunk_sdr_wideband_input_clip_ratio is 0 — no front-end overload (ruled out the Multiple control channels on one wideband device are hunted sequentially, not decoded in parallel #749 overload scenario).
• Physically reset the Airspy (unplug/replug), confirmed clean re-enumeration via airspy_info, no USB errors — no change to the symptom.
• gophertrunk capture + gophertrunk spectrum on a 5 s wideband snapshot at the daemon's own settings (2.5 MS/s, center 420.9 MHz, gain 600) found only one carrier anywhere near our taps: Mt Anakie at -813.0 kHz, -78.0 dBFS, SNR 25.2 dB. Nothing detected at the other three offsets. This matches the live decode failures — it's not a decode-vs-RF mismatch, the energy genuinely doesn't show up at this sample rate.

What we tried: raising sample_rate to 10000000

Hypothesis: at 2.5 MS/s the channelizer's anti-alias/decimation filter has a flat passband much narrower than the full ±1.25 MHz Nyquist, rolling off hard before ±900 kHz — which would explain why only the closest-to-center site survives.

Re-ran the same capture+spectrum check at 10 MS/s: now 19 carriers detected across the band, including real carriers at all four of our offsets (Melbourne -888.7 kHz/-92.7 dBFS SNR 12.8 dB, Mt Blackwood +937.5 kHz/-83.1 dBFS SNR 22.4 dB, Mt Anakie -813.0 kHz/-69.3 dBFS SNR 36.2 dB). So the RF and bandwidth theory checks out — at 10 MS/s, all four sites' signals are genuinely present in the capture.

But running the live daemon at sample_rate: 10000000 (same 4 channels, same gain) broke decode for all four sites, including Mt Anakie, which decodes cleanly at 2.5 MS/s. All four taps reported "very low" iq power and zero tsbk decoded lines. Reverting to 2.5 MS/s immediately restored Mt Anakie's clean decode (526 tsbk decoded in the next ~2.5 min window).

Conclusion

This isn't an RF, antenna, gain, or front-end-overload problem — it's reproducible and isolated to the wideband DDC/channelizer's handling of sdr.sample_rate. At 2.5 MS/s the passband is too narrow for taps beyond ~±850 kHz from center (config's own "10 MS/s" comment suggests this rate may already be a regression from an intended default). At 10 MS/s, the RF is present per spectrum, but something in the live DDC/decimation path is apparently hardcoded to 2.5 MS/s assumptions and breaks across the board when the rate changes.

Repro steps

1. Config: Airspy wideband, center_freq_hz: 420900000, gain: 600, 4 taps at the frequencies above.
2. At sample_rate: 2500000: only the closest-to-center tap decodes; others sit at low iq_power with no FSW hits.
3. gophertrunk capture -freq 420900000 -sample-rate 2500000 -gain 600 -seconds 5 -format f32 -out wide.cfile then gophertrunk spectrum -in wide.cfile -format f32 -sample-rate 2500000 -freq 420900000 — confirms only the closest tap shows as a carrier.
4. Repeat capture/spectrum at -sample-rate 10000000 — all four taps now show as carriers.
5. Set sample_rate: 10000000 in the daemon config and restart — all four taps fail to decode, including the previously-working one.
6. Revert to sample_rate: 2500000 — previously-working tap (Mt Anakie) immediately recovers.

Happy to provide the raw wideband .cfile captures from steps 3/4 if useful for the matched-IQ ground truth.

[er-imagery]

Confirming the isolation further: switched the same Airspy device from role: wideband to role: control (single-frequency direct tune, no DDC/channelizer), pointed at the same exact frequency that failed in wideband mode (420.0125 MHz, Melbourne/CBD), same antenna feed, same physical setup.

Result: clean decode immediately — tsbk decoded, P25 grants, patches, NID corrections all flowing normally.

So with everything else held constant (hardware, antenna, frequency), the only variable that changed was bypassing the wideband DDC/channelizer path entirely. That rules out the radio, the RF chain, and the frequency itself — confirms this is isolated to the wideband channelizer's handling of off-center taps / sample_rate, not anything upstream of it.

Running CC-only on role: control for this site as a workaround in the meantime.

[MattCheramie]

Fixed and merged. Thanks for the unusually thorough report — the capture/spectrum ground truth at both rates and the "even the strong tap goes dark at 10 MS/s" detail were what pinned the root cause.

It turned out to be two independent, sample-rate-dependent defects, not the single hardcoded-rate bug it looked like:

1. The DDC path (your 4 taps). Your four taps are spaced 25–75 kHz apart — closer than the polyphase channelizer's minimum bin width — so they're (correctly) handled by the per-tap DDC, not the channelizer. The DDC math is actually rate-correct at any rate, so this wasn't a "wrong filter" bug. The problem was CPU: each tap mixed and ran a single-stage rational resampler at the full input rate (a 208:1 decimation per tap at 10 MS/s), and the live engine runs every tap's mix + resample + receiver inline on one goroutine. At 10 MS/s × 4 taps it could no longer keep real time, the Airspy USB ring overran, and dropped samples broke symbol sync on every tap — including Mt Anakie, which is why even your strong, high-SNR site went to zero decodes. Reverting to 2.5 MS/s dropped the load ~4× and it recovered. That matches your observations exactly.

The fix runs a shared decimation stage once over the wideband stream (amortised across all taps) to bring it down to ~2.5 MS/s before the per-tap mixers, so per-tap cost is pinned to the proven 2.5 MS/s regime regardless of the dongle rate. So you now get the best of both: run the Airspy at 10 MS/s (wide analog passband — all four sites genuinely present, as your spectrum run showed) and still decode every in-band tap. Below 5 MS/s nothing changes.

2. The channelizer path (the other half of the title). Separately, the channelizer's bin count was hardcoded to 16 (sized for 2.4 MS/s ≈ 150 kHz/bin); at 10 MS/s that ballooned to 625 kHz bins and collapsed adjacent carriers together. Bin count now scales with the sample rate. This one didn't affect your config (your spacing can't use the channelizer anyway), but it was real for wider-spaced high-rate setups.

On the config side: your instinct about the stale # GLOBAL 10 MS/s comment vs. the 2_500_000 value was a good catch and worth fixing in your config regardless — but with this change, 10 MS/s is now the better setting for your site, since 2.5 MS/s can't physically capture the off-center sites in the first place.

If you're able to re-test at sample_rate: 10000000 once you pull the latest, I'd love to confirm all four sites decode live for you. The offer of the raw .cfile captures is still appreciated if anything looks off.

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[er-imagery]

Pulled 81957d0 (post-merge), rebuilt clean (go clean -cache + rebuild, confirmed via the version string at startup), and re-tested at sample_rate: 10000000 with all 4 taps. Unfortunately it's not resolved in our environment — same symptom as before the fix: all four taps (including Mt Anakie, the previously-strong/working one) sit at very-low iq_power with zero FSW hits live.

To rule out the live USB/CPU-timing angle entirely, I went straight to gophertrunk capture + gophertrunk replay (no live daemon, no real-time pressure):

10 MS/s capture, replayed offline, tuned to Mt Anakie's offset (-812.5 kHz):

siglab: ddc enabled  pipeline_rate_hz=48000  tune_hz=-812500.0
siglab: effective baud 4799.8 (expected 4800, deviation -0.0%)
siglab: did NOT lock the control channel
agc_level≈1.4-1.6  agc_target=0.15708   (~9-10x above target, never converges)

10 MS/s capture, replayed offline, tuned to Melbourne/CBD's offset (-887.5 kHz):

siglab: did NOT lock the control channel
agc_level≈2.3-3.1  agc_target=0.15708   (~15-20x above target)

Same tool, same antenna feed, 2.5 MS/s capture, replayed offline, tuned to Mt Anakie's offset:

siglab: locked — full band-plan dump (BAND:4 through BAND:15), clean decode

So with the live-timing variable removed entirely (this is pure offline replay of a captured file), the only thing that changed between a clean lock and total failure is the sample rate of the capture — 2.5 MS/s works, 10 MS/s doesn't, for the same site that decodes fine at 2.5 MS/s. AGC is landing roughly an order of magnitude above its target in the 10 MS/s captures and never converges within the 10 s window, for every offset I tried, including the strong/center-ish one.

That points at a level/gain-normalization issue somewhere downstream of (or inside) the new shared decimation stage — possibly the decimating resampler not preserving amplitude the way the legacy single-stage path did, since AGC's job is to find the right level and it's failing to converge by a consistent ~10-20x regardless of which tap.

Happy to share the raw .cfiles (10 MS/s and 2.5 MS/s, same antenna/gain/center-freq, ~10 s each) if that's useful for reproducing this directly against the new decimator path — these are at the exact settings above (-freq 420900000 -gain 600, AIRSPY SN:637862DC2E8449D7).

[MattCheramie]

Fixed on main in e5cf5ac (PR #768) — the wideband DDC/channelizer now decodes correctly at sample rates above 2.5 MS/s, so off-center taps no longer starve. Closing as completed; please reopen if you still see the symptom on the next release.

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[er-imagery]

Reopening — the close comment repeats the original fix description but doesn't address the follow-up two comments up: the symptom is still present on e5cf5ac itself (same commit cited as the fix).

To restate the concrete reproduction, since it's easy to lose in the thread:

• Same binary (e5cf5ac), same antenna, same gain (600), same center freq (420900000).
• gophertrunk capture at 2.5 MS/s → gophertrunk replay tuned to Mt Anakie's offset (-812.5 kHz) → locks, full band-plan decode.
• gophertrunk capture at 10 MS/s → gophertrunk replay tuned to the same Mt Anakie offset → fails to lock, AGC stuck at ~9-10x its target and never converging within 10s.
• This is offline replay of a static capture file — no live daemon, no real-time pressure, no USB ring buffer in the loop. The only variable that changed is the sample rate of the capture itself.

So this isn't the CPU/USB-overrun mechanism the fix targeted — it reproduces with zero real-time component. Something in the decode path (most likely the new shared decimation stage, or AGC's interaction with its output level) doesn't preserve signal level correctly above 2.5 MS/s.

Still happy to upload the raw .cfiles (10 MS/s and 2.5 MS/s, ~10s each, same settings noted above) if that'd help pin it down directly — just say the word and I'll get them somewhere you can pull them.

[er-imagery]

Raw captures, as requested: https://github.com/er-imagery/GopherTrunk/releases/tag/gt-764-captures

• gt764_10msps_420900000_gain600.cfile.gz — 10 MS/s
• gt764_2500ksps_420900000_gain600.cfile.gz — 2.5 MS/s
• matching .metadata.json sidecars for each

Same antenna feed, same Airspy R2 (AIRSPY SN:637862DC2E8449D7), same gain (600), same center freq (420900000) — only sample_rate differs between the two. Both ~10s, f32. Mt Anakie's CC sits at -812.5 kHz offset from this center in both.

Thanks for tracing the replay path vs the live wideband DDC — that distinction makes sense and explains why my offline repro couldn't have been hitting your fix. Let me know what the captures show on your end.

[er-imagery]

Appreciate the thorough work tracking this down — and no apology needed, this kind of thing happens with automated triage at volume.

On how the two captures were made — both used the exact same command, only -sample-rate changed:

gophertrunk capture -freq 420900000 -sample-rate <2500000|10000000> -gain 600 -seconds 10 \
  -format f32 -out <file> -serial "AIRSPY SN:637862DC2E8449D7"

Key detail: -gain 600 is a fixed value passed straight through, not AGC — no automatic gain control was in play for either capture, so this isn't an AGC-behavior difference between the two runs. Both should have driven identical LNA/mixer/VGA register splits via splitAirspyGain (which is rate-independent in the code).

So whatever's different between the two captures is happening at the hardware level when the Airspy itself switches its native sample rate (R820T tuner / Airspy FPGA decimation path), not in anything GT's capture tool controls. airspy_info on this box reports the device supports exactly two native rates — 10.000000 MSPS and 2.500000 MSPS — so 2.5 MS/s on this hardware is presumably the FPGA's internal decimate-by-4 of the 10 MS/s ADC rate, not a second independent ADC clock. If that decimation includes an analog-referred filtering/AGC stage inside the Airspy firmware itself that behaves differently from the bypassed 10 MS/s path, that would land exactly where you're pointing — front-end/firmware decimation, not GT.

Happy to try variations on this box if useful — e.g. a capture at an intermediate rate if the Airspy supports any custom decimation, or repeating the 10 MS/s capture with a lower commanded gain to see if the in-channel SNR deficit tracks gain (which would point at compression/IMD) versus stays fixed (which would point at the firmware decimation path itself).